Making Work Fun
Making Work Fun
...by embracing imperfection and self-compassion in parenting (Parenting Series Week 2 of 3)
Have you ever found yourself amidst the chaos of parenting, where raising your voice seemed like the only way to be heard?
On the podcast this week, Esther Mbabazi, joins Natasha to talk about how to have better communication with your children. She draws from her own transformative journey and shares what she learned along the way to becoming a life coach who helps moms yell less . Join us for this week's episode!
Esther Mbabazi, is a certified coach and she coaches women who are successful at work but want to stop yelling at their preteens without going to therapy - so that they bring back harmony to their homes.
You can reach Esther at the links below:
Instagram: https://instagram.com/the.help.moms.yell.less
Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/motherhood-the-brain/id1728007044
FREE resources - 3 Steps To Yell Less - https://masteryourownwellbeing.com/3steps
To get in touch with Maria:
Download the "Take the Grind Out of Your Work" free workbook: restovergrind.com/save-time
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To get in touch with Natasha:
Instagram: @natashatekeste
Website: natashatekeste.com
Hi everyone, welcome to the Making Work Fun podcast with Maria and Natasha, two working professionals turned life coaches.
Speaker 2:I'm Maria and I have worked in economic consulting for more than 14 years.
Speaker 1:And I'm Natasha. I have over a decade of work experience with human resources.
Speaker 2:Through our 25 plus years of combined corporate experience, we have learned a lot about work.
Speaker 1:And through our work as life coaches, we've learned how to make work fun.
Speaker 2:Whether you work for someone else, run your own business or do anything else that you call your work, this podcast will teach you how to make your work fun too.
Speaker 1:Without giving in to the productivity hustle.
Speaker 2:So let's dive right in.
Speaker 1:Hello everyone and welcome back to the podcast. It's Natasha here today and I'm super excited because I have a really fantastic guest on the episode that I'm looking forward to talking to a little bit more and delving into her area of expertise. So I have Esther here with me and she's a coach that helps moms yell less. And I just love the title of your brand because it is so clear, like we know exactly what you are coaching and who you are helping and you know what kind of support you provide, just by the title. So, esther, I'm going to hand it over to you If you want to just give us an introduction. Let us know a little bit about who you are and who you help. Coach.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Thank you, Natasha, for having me. My name is Estan Babazi. I am a certified coach and I help moms who are successful at work but struggle with yelling at their preteens. I work mainly with moms who have girls, but I work with moms who have boys as well.
Speaker 1:That is like I said. That is such a clear niche, it is so succinct. So tell me a little bit about how you got into this, as kind of who you coach and who you support.
Speaker 3:I have two children and I don't know if my mother ever comes across this. She'll be, I don't know, but this is my side of the story. So I remember when I was younger maybe eight, nine, ten and above there was a lot of yelling in our household. Household and I'm not blaming, I'm just stating there was a lot of yelling. And I understand like now that I've grown and have my own kids, I understand my mom was a single mom of five kids and she had a small salary and we never went hungry or anything and there was a lot like on our plate. Now that I'm older, I appreciate that, that she was going through a lot. She was dealing with a lot of things domestic abuse and stuff, you know. So I understand. But I remember one thing that every time I was yelled at I felt it was painful, I felt awful, I felt painful, I felt pain and I promised myself way back then I didn't even know that I would have kids, but I promised myself that if I ever got kids I would not yell at them and fast forward.
Speaker 3:I had two kids of my own and I started yelling at them and I could see in my brain that I was yelling, even though I did not want to yell, but I didn't know how to stop. So I started reading self-development. I read a lot of self-development books and one thing that I picked from those books was that, even though my kids' behavior drove me up the wall, yelling was my responsibility. It was not their behavior or lack of behavior that was making me yell. There was something within me that could stop the yelling. I did not have to yell at them because of what they were doing. They could do whatever they were doing and I did not have to yell. I understood that intellectually, but I did not know how to put that into practice. So that led me to more researching and more reading and I did not find a book that addressed that Until, I say, accidentally landed on coaching or in coaching I say.
Speaker 3:I sometimes say I fell into coaching, so I fell into coaching. I fell into coaching and I started as a student. I was coached and coached. I don't think there's money that I have gladly spent as money I spent on that coaching program Like it changed my life, and I'm not lying. I'm coaching program Like it changed my life and I'm not lying, I'm not exaggerating. It changed my life.
Speaker 3:They give me these tools. They taught me these tools. They taught me how to look at what I'm thinking, how to not believe everything that I'm thinking. I didn't even know that was a thing that we don't have to believe everything that comes in our brains. I didn't know that. So they gave me these tools and when my life started to change and I started practicing what I was being taught, my kids stopped quote-unquote misbehaving. So this is like I don't. Yeah, I hope you understand what I mean. So I decided to become a coach myself. So I enrolled in a certification and I I got certified to help other moms who are like me or who feel stuck, feel confused, they think something's wrong with them, they cannot figure out the motherhood thing. So I help those moms who want to yell at their preteens.
Speaker 1:I love your kind of vulnerability about, like, your willingness to be like hey, I yelled at my kids and I didn't want to be yelling at my kids, right? Like it takes a lot of courage to admit when we're doing behaviors that we don't want to be doing. And what's really interesting is I, now that I'm a mom of a toddler, an 18 month old, I can really empathize with that, because I find there's a lot of times where I'm just overstimulated and my child is yelling at me or he's just screaming or he's making a lot of noise, and it's hard sometimes to take a breath and calm yourself when there's just so much happening in your life and it is a lot having kids. I mean, my toddler is just a toddler, he's not even a preteen, he's not even an older child yet. So can you tell me some of the ways that you help support some of your clients in this?
Speaker 3:This is going to sound counterintuitive, but what I have learned all these years is it's not actually about the yelling. It's what we do after the yelling, because when you yell, you feel awful, you feel ashamed. At least many of us, at least the women I talk to and the women I see when they yell, they feel awful, they feel ashamed, they feel guilty, and when you are feeling guilty and ashamed or awful, it's like you're spinning. You're spinning your wheels, you get stuck, and then you want to micromanage them. You relax structures, you give them iPads to compensate for the yelling, to compensate for making them feel bad, for making maybe your children cry. You do things that quote unquote worsen the situation.
Speaker 3:So what I teach moms is okay, you yelled. Now what? What are you making it mean that you yelled? Then they will tell me something like I'm a bad mother and then I say okay, how do you feel when you tell yourself you're a bad mother? Because when we are coming from what we call a negative space, we cannot do something positive when we are coming from a negative space. How about, instead of beating yourself up, identifying yourself as a bad mother, how about you sit and let us pull this apart? Why did you yell? What happened before yelling? Okay, now that you yelled, now what we? We go back to our child and apologize and try to make it better the next time around, because they'll be yelling another time. We can't really promise them I will not yell again. They'll be yelling.
Speaker 3:It takes time. If you are I don't know 30 and you've been yelling for the last 10 years, you're not going to stop yelling overnight. That's not being reasonable. You have to create this space. You are going to be yelling some more until because you, if you understand how the brain works, you cannot change your habit overnight. It takes work, it takes consistency, it takes work, it takes consistency to change a habit. But changing a habit without changing our identity does not work. That is why people sleep and they do things again. But when you yell at your child, for example for I don't know, children do all sorts of things and you treat yourself kindly, the mother, you treat yourself kindly. You understand your human being. You made a mistake, you slipped and you fell. You will automatically do the same for your child. You will understand that my child is just being a child. They are being human. They made a mistake, the same way that you made the mistake and yelled is the same way they made the mistake and did. Whatever it is that you're yelling them out for.
Speaker 1:Oh, that makes so much sense. I loved how you said what matters is like what you do after it's like you're going to yell. If you've been yelling for 10 years, the yelling is going to happen. Let's just like acknowledge that and know that sometimes we're going to show up in ways that we don't want to be showing up. But how can we repair things after it's happened?
Speaker 3:We treat ourselves with compassion and then we treat our children with compassion. Everything starts with us Everything. If you're being unkind to yourself, you are going to be unkind to your kids. There is no going around that. If you call yourself names, if you think you're stupid, if you think you're a bad mother because you yelled, you are going to automatically do the same to your children. But when you treat yourself with compassion and grace and kindness, you are going to do the same for your children. For example, in your case, you have an 18-year-old, 18-month-old, right Like that's your first child. You have not raised children before. Of course there's going to be mistakes. Of course there's going to be yelling.
Speaker 3:Maybe you are operating on a little sleep, yeah, yeah, Maybe you have I don't know five kids. Some people have five kids. Maybe you have two jobs trying to make ends meet and you spread yourself very thin. So anything they do or they don't do like quote, unquote triggers I don't like the word triggers, Like it triggers you. So you have to look at all those things and say, okay, I didn't have enough sleep last night, I just came back from my second job, or whatever. Okay, I'm tired. Everything they do or anything that they do triggers me. When you understand that bit, you are going to show up as a better person. But the important thing I say is to treat ourselves with kindness, first Ourselves. When we do that, then we understand that our kids are just humans, the same way we are human.
Speaker 1:I love that so much. I love that you talk about the compassion and the empathy to yourself. First, because I agree, I think that is so important. We are modeling behaviors to our children all the time, and how we show up to talk to ourselves and talk about ourselves and treat ourselves. Our children see that and they mimic that, and so it's almost like your relationship with you is so impactful to the relationship that you have with your child.
Speaker 1:Because if you're berating yourself or being mean to yourself or not giving yourself some empathy for the challenges that you're dealing with in life and I mean I'm only been parenting for 18 months but I've realized that it is really hard, it is nonstop and then you're adding in, like your relationship with a spouse, or maybe you're a single parent, or maybe you're working full time, or maybe you're dealing with financial struggles or an ill parent or whatever, like there's so many other parts of your life when you're parenting that aren't just parenting and that can be really exhausting and it could overstimulate you and take a lot out of you, and so it's not fair to expect yourself to show up like perfectly all the time or to show up, you know, as someone who's never going to yell or who's always going to say the right thing. Like, no mistakes will happen in parenting, and I really love how you just kind of call that out, because it lowers the stakes. Like if I go into my parenting journey and I know that mistakes are going to happen and that's normal, then it just makes it easier for me to be a human and show up in this relationship and worry about okay, I did something, maybe I didn't, I'm not proud of, I feel ashamed of, I don't really like, but what can I do to move forward? How can I help fix the situation? Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1:Like compassion and empathy is kind of the foundation of what you're talking about, because I do, I feel that I feel like that's so important.
Speaker 3:The moms that I work with, like they are successful at work, like you're successful at work, you're an entrepreneur, you're running this business, you have this job, you're leading these teams at work, like everything's moving smoothly at work mostly at work and many moms, human beings, unconsciously think that success at work translates to success at home, because it is very easy in an environment like work to to be ambitious and go after goals and set up these things and lead these people. But when we come home it is a different dynamic. We are dealing with young humans, like I call them. We are dealing with children who do not have developed brains. We are dealing with children who are finding their own meanings and opinions of things in the world. But because we are so used to telling people what to do in the office, we forget that these children, they are not mature like us because in the office we are dealing with grown-up people, grown-ups like us. When we come home and we expect the same results from our kids and this is what leads to yelling. It is very counterintuitive because the same system that the moms use at work to get results and achieve goals and chase dreams and achieve dreams is the same system they use at home. But at home it works in the negative because at home we are dealing with kids. They are messy. Their brain is not focusing because the parts of the brain that are responsible for focusing, planning, strategizing they are not developed in preteens and teens and children under. They are not developed. So children are messy, they cannot plan, they cannot get on time.
Speaker 3:I have a son Every time we are going somewhere he will ask me to wait for him. He's charging his phone. Like I need to charge five minutes, like he never charges the phone the way I. No, I don't understand that. I stopped understanding. Every time we about to leave the door, can I get five minutes to charge my phone. Now, before coaching, I would be yelling my head off. But now I understand that he does not plan, his brain's not developed. That part of the brain has not developed.
Speaker 3:So if a mother is used to working like that in the office, in the office you are dealing with grown up people, people you can hold accountable. At home your kids are not like that. They are testing boundaries. They are going through biological and physical and physiological developments. This, like science, this is nature. We cannot fight nature. So if we don't understand that. Okay, I'm at home now. I'm dealing with humans that are developing. I need to switch off my work brain and like come in my mom brain at home. If you don't understand that, that is going to lead to yelling because you are so used to perfectionism and deceiving results and you come home and your child frustrates you before you know it to go off.
Speaker 1:I love that. I've actually never heard it explained in that way and I've never really thought about it in that way, but what you're saying makes so much sense to me, right? It's like you can't have the same expectations of your children as you do, your colleagues or your friends or other adults, and so you have to meet your kids where they are. And it's really fascinating that you're talking about this and that's something I haven't necessarily really heard a lot of people talk about, because you're right, like our kids' brains are developing every single day and changing and growing, but that means that they're not always going to have some of the skills that we see in mature adults. Right, and to expect it of them isn't really fair to our children, and so of course, that's going to lead to yelling because there's a disconnect.
Speaker 1:Like I love this story that you shared about your son and him needing to charge his phone, and then your realization that he just doesn't have that planning part totally developed yet, and like you can have a lot of compassion and empathy for him when you think about it in that way, or at least I can, because I remember what it was like to be 16, 17, 18, and just be so involved in whatever you're doing in the moment and then forget that you have to plan ahead for what you're going to do next. You can kind of relate to them a little bit because it's like, well, I've been there too, I get it.
Speaker 3:In a situation like that, I teach moms to plan ahead. Like you just have to plan on it. It's I don't know 10 minutes to go out of the house in the morning to do a school run and your child will go to the bathroom to get dressed. Yeah, you just have to plan ahead and be disappointed. It's okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like you're telling yourself you have to be reasonable, like it's like your child is being reasonable for what's acceptable behavior for their age. That's what they're doing. They are being reasonable. It's like we have to be reasonable and plan ahead and take into account the child that we have. Yeah, I, I really love that.
Speaker 1:Another thing that's kind of like shifted for me is one of the things I struggle with the most is just how messy it is to have a toddler. Like that's a really new thing for me to have, especially like the kitchen mess. Like I'm not really used to living in a situation where someone is like throwing food everywhere. That's not necessarily like my partner and I were like very clean eaters. You know we didn't have a very messy kitchen and now all of a sudden we have a toddler and he's just throwing his food.
Speaker 1:So to me, that's what I feel like so exhausted and frustrated about is like having to constantly clean the same mess over and over again. But what was helpful for me was realizing like he's not doing that to me. He's not like trying to make more mess for me to clean. This is just how he's learning. He's learning like what happens when I throw the food? What's the texture of the food? Where can it go Like? He has so many questions and that's just him fulfilling his like, curiosity and that element of it. So that helped me find a little bit more, I think, space and kindness around it, because I know there were some days where I'm like I feel like I'm in the kitchen all day just cleaning up the same mess, like it's like a groundhog day and that can really get to you yeah, and there's one thing I would like to add before we go.
Speaker 3:Um, especially for I don't know working mother, this podcast is about working mothers and and parenting. Um, I don't know, when I say this, it sounds very cliche, but there is no definition or textbook or money for being a good mother. There is no person out there who defines good mothers. What is a good mother? What is a bad mother? What is? There is nothing like that. But what we do as humans with brains is we look at Molly in the PTA these are parents who have school-going kids. We look at Molly and Sarah and I don't know Polly in the PTA and we see how they act or they show up as mothers and then we measure ourselves up against them and then, of course, we don't reach them because you are not molly, you are not sarah, you are not paulie, you are you, for example, you are natasha, you can't be maria, you can't be the other person. We are all different in this world. There is no measure. There is no measure, there is no yardstick, there is no definition. But what causes? I think you have heard of the mom. Guilt is what we think. I want to do this, that, that, the other. I want my kids to be A, b, c, d, e, because we have seen how other people do it and then we can't reach other people because we are not those people. Like there is, like you know, the mirage. Every time you drive in the desert or in the hot sun and you're about to reach the mirage, it goes further, it goes further, it goes further. This is what motherhood is. Make you a. You Find what works for you. You decide whether you're a good mother. I can't decide that for you. Nobody decides whether you're a good mother. I can't decide that for you. Nobody decides whether you're a good mother or not, even though that is what society wants us to believe. You decide whether you're a good mother. I decide that I'm a good mother or not. Nobody decides that for us. Decides that for us.
Speaker 3:So part of the reason why moms yell a lot is because they are not achieving what the other person is doing. Other kids are calmer. My kids are yelling, my kids drive me up the wall. My kids this and that, my kids this and that. It's because we are comparing our kids to other people's kids. But our kids are different. They have different needs, different genetic makeup, different backgrounds and all those things, and it's okay that we are different. They have different needs, different genetic makeup, different backgrounds and all those things, and it's okay that we are different. It's okay that I'm not like so.
Speaker 3:Sometimes I look at mother, especially when I drive, when I drive my, my daughters, to gymnastics and stuff, and I can be in the parking lot and look at parents. I'm like I wonder what it's like to be like like that mom and then I'll be like no, but I'm okay, I'm enough. I'm okay, I'm enough. I don't want to be like them, but it's nice to look at them. But no, no, thank you, no, thank you, brain, that's enough.
Speaker 3:I think that is the biggest lie we have been told. And then we feel guilty because we can't achieve this and that and the other. And then we like, we feel sad and we feel like lacking. And to and to kind of compensate for our feel of luck, we raise our voices to make our kids, to make our kids do what we want. You see that like how it works. Yeah, when you feel in luck or inadequate, you attempt to raise your voice to make your child do something so you can feel good. This is how it works in a negative way, but at the end of the day, it is about us, not our kids. I don't know if it made sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is such a good analogy. First off, I loved the analogy of the mirage, where you're in the desert and then it's always getting further and further away. Because I think that does happen, right, because the people that we compare ourselves to, we don't actually know their entire story, we don't know who they are, we don't know what's happening in their lives. We just create an image in our brains of what we think they've achieved, but oftentimes that image is almost like perfection, it's like unattainable for us, or we think it's like better than us in some unrealistic ways, and then we expect ourselves to try to achieve that.
Speaker 1:But, as you said, we're not them. We don't know their story. We're us and we're the ones who have to decide for ourselves that we like how we're showing up, that we are a good parent, that we like looking at the ways that we are fueling our parenthood journey with like love and kindness and things like that. Because if we don't focus on that and we just focus on the lack, like you said, we're just going to be filled with negative emotion, we're going to be upset, we're going to be angry, we're going to be overstimulated and that's going to cause us to yell more and then look for more evidence for why we're lacking, so like that cycle that you said yeah. So what are some of the like? I'm curious, what are some of the practical tools or ways that you kind of help the successful moms that you work with break out of this cycle?
Speaker 3:The number one thing I know this is like it's not easy for somebody who has not done this before is to look at what we are thinking. And I know I did not know it was even possible to be aware of what you're thinking. I did not know that I thought like everything we thought was like automatic and that is how it's supposed to be. But the number one thing that I teach is to be aware of what you are thinking. Not every sentence that swims in your head is true or you have to believe it. Just like the heart pumps blood, the brain makes sentences, what we call thoughts, and they are swimming around and they are flying and they are falling like snow or rain, and you don't have to believe anything. Your brain says you're a bad mother. You give your children cereal. I know people who do that. You give your children cereal for dinner, okay, okay, so what? So what? Maybe they had a good breakfast, maybe they had a good lunch? So what if you have cereal for dinner? So what? That's what you could afford. You know, instead of beating yourself up for giving your children cereal for dinner, you could just tell your brain, brain opinion noted. But I'm not spending any more time on that. I know this is very like, it's kind of deeper, we can't really go through it, but the number one thing that I teach people is to be aware of what they are thinking. Number one, number two the reason we yell at our kids is because we want them to be like. We have this picture in our minds of how we want our kids to be, and I'm just giving you breaking news here Our children will be whoever they want to be, regardless of what we think. If you want your child to be this, and they are turning out to be that, this is going to cause you immense pain. If you want your child to be this and they are turning out to be that, this is going to cause you immense pain and it is going to cause, like I don't know, problems with you and your child. Your child is going to be who they are, who they want to be, regardless of what you think. But I'm not saying you should just let them like off the hook, but you need to look at yourself, what you're thinking first. What, like, what ideas do you have about your child? You need to examine those and I know we can't even do this on the podcast, but it's kind of like deeper work.
Speaker 3:But you need to like clean out your thinking. It's okay to have boundaries and hold our children responsible, but some things they are just too much. It's because we care so much about what the teacher will think, what society will say about me, what my mother will say about me, how I'm raising my kids, how my friends will say about me and I'm saying this today it was very hard for me to release that, to understand. I struggled. I just had a coaching call yesterday about about something I had like, yeah, I had a coaching call yesterday because there's something, something about my child that I didn't even see it. I didn't see it that I I had it, but the coach showed it to me. But it is very important to look at what you're thinking, what you want for your child. Is it what they want? And I know this is difficult to comprehend but it is doable and it is one of the ways you will hear less.
Speaker 1:You are right, like it is challenging sometimes to be aware of what you're thinking on your own and sometimes you need a coach to really help. You see that, like even myself, I'm a coach, I get coaching. It sounds like you get coaching right. It's like you. Sometimes you need that like neutral third party to help you become more aware of your thinking, because a lot of the times before we're practiced at it, our thoughts just feel true. We're just like no, this is I'm just reciting different facts and the truth that I know in my life. But having a little bit of space between that can be really empowering and create massive shifts and change in our own lives definitely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm curious is there anything else that we haven't really touched on that you would want to leave our listeners with, or things that would be kind of helpful for them to just be aware of in their own relationship with their children?
Speaker 3:The thing about what we make things mean. Like you said, your 18 month or your toddler throws food around and if I were you, like all those years, I would think, like, like, maybe he's doing it to me, doing it to annoy me. Like I used to be that person. No shame, I'm just saying the truth. I used to be that person.
Speaker 3:Our kids do things and we make them mean something, especially about us, because we are so scared of being judged. When your child does something, instead of rushing to make and I know this is difficult because that's how our brains are wired we make it mean something about us. Try to create that space and ask yourself okay, what am I making this mean now about me? That I'm a bad mother? Okay, what is even a bad mother? What does a bad mother Okay, what is even a bad mother? What does a bad mother mean? Our children are going through their own human experience. They are going through their own emotional pain, the same way you and I do. We may try to solve it for them, but we can't. Unfortunately, we cannot, and sometimes we just have to let them go through whatever they're going through, with us on their side.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally Like our children are going to experience sadness and anger and disappointment and grief, along with joy and love and happiness and excitement.
Speaker 1:Because, both spectrums, like that whole spectrum of emotional experiences is what it means to be human. And I think you're right. Like when we think that our job as a parent or a mom is to make sure our child never feels sad or disappointed, then we're just setting ourselves up for failure because we can't control that they're going to feel sad and disappointed, whether we like it or not. It's part of their human experience. And who are we to take that away from them? Right? I don't think I would want someone to hover over me and take away my sadness or my anger. Maybe it sounds nice in theory, but the reality of it is. It means you're being controlled and you don't get to live your autonomous human life and and experience the spectrum of emotions. And if we don't allow sadness, then the joy becomes less beautiful and meaningful and substantial and one thing I want to say, one thing I want to say before we go.
Speaker 3:I have learned this from my kids when they are going through the human experience, like we call it, and I get too involved, they put up a boundary Can you leave now? If we are maybe in their room, in one's room, and I'm too involved, they will say can you leave now? Because they do not want to ask, they don't want to see us too involved in their lives. At a certain point in their brain they understand that this is their life. They understand that, even though maybe they don't know how to articulate it. But I have seen that when I get too involved, they say can you leave now? And that is when we get those slammed in our faces. It's like a boundary for them. Now you are stepping too far into my life. Can you live now? I, I'm okay, my, my, my, my living here will say I'm fine, can you go? It's like she's like go, go now, leave. Can you leave now?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah that's really interesting. It's like they're learning to have their own boundaries and it kind of shows like the relationship that you have with them, that you've been able to cultivate with them, where they're saying like, okay, this is enough now, like I can take it from here, yeah, and that, I think, is product of the work that you've put into yourself, right Into getting to know yourself and your own brain, and how you're showing up and putting in the effort to change behaviors that you just didn't want to be doing anymore. Not that they were bad or shameful, like you said. It's just recognizing like this isn't how I want to be in my life, this isn't how I want to parent.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is so good.
Speaker 1:This is a really good conversation. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast and sharing your views, your opinions, your wisdom, everything with um our listeners. I know I learned a lot on this podcast. Just thinking about things in a different way and chatting them through with you and your metaphors, like I'm like, oh wow, I had never really thought about that in this way, so, so, thank you so much. So, if our listeners want to find you and work with you or reach out to you, how can they find you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, my Instagram. I have an Instagram account. It's called at the help moms year, less coach, but there's like dots in and because I could not write the whole word on Instagram, so there's like dots or periods in between the words. And I have a guide. It's called Three Steps to Yell Less and if any mom is interested, it's very doable. It's short and doable. If you follow that guide and you'll find it on masteryourwellbeingcom. Forward slash three steps.
Speaker 1:Okay, perfect, and you know what? We will link all of that in the show notes. So if anyone wants to find Esther, you can follow her on Instagram. Just follow the link in the show notes and you can get to the guide from the show notes as well. Well it has been such a pleasure having you on this week's episode. Thank you so much for coming on. We really appreciate it and it was just so wonderful to get to chat with you.
Speaker 3:Thank you too, Natasha. I forgot to mention I have a podcast called Motherhood and the Brain and I focus on how our thinking. Like I'm so occupied with our thinking when I understood our thinking, so it talks about how our thinking leads to do certain actions, but not do certain actions. It's called motherhood and the brain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely check out that podcast because I love that title that sounds. So it's like a fascinating title, again, very direct, very clear, because you know what, as moms, there is so much happening in our brains and our brains change, like I've noticed that through pregnancy, through postpartum, through the later days, like, yeah, your brain is changing as you're, as you're changing who you are in this new role of being a mom. So yeah, that's very fascinating uh title and I'm sure you have some really interesting topics that you delve into on your podcast. So definitely check out that podcast and reach out to Esther if you want to learn how to be a mom who yells less in your relationship with your children.
Speaker 3:Thank you so much, Natasha.
Speaker 2:Hey everyone. It's Maria. I am a burnout coach for professional women and I work with high achieving perfectionists who want to heal burnout so that they can take a step back and enjoy their lives without sacrificing their success. To work with me one-on-one, you can go to my website, which is restovergrindcom, and book a free consult call. You can also follow me on Instagram at rest underscore over underscore grind, or on LinkedIn, under rest over grind LLC.
Speaker 1:Hey everyone, natasha here. I'm a money mindset coach. I work with women who want to shift their beliefs around money and wealth so they can finally leave the drama behind and focus on actually doing the work they love to do. I work with two different types of clients employees who want to make more money at work, or entrepreneurs who want to earn more in their business, and I teach people how to love the process of earning and creating more, because it really is possible for money to be easy and fun. So let me show you how you can find me on my website, at NatashaTuchesticom, or on Instagram at Natasha Tuchesti. We'll see you there.